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19-07-2010 19:10LadyTilly (613 punktów)JP2 nie był pierwszym papieżem pochodzenia polskiego
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Pius X, papież w latach 1903-1914, urodził się we Włoszech. Był synem listonosza i szwaczki. Jest uznawany jako stuprocentowany Włoch, co jest nieprawdą. Jego ojciec nie pochodził z Włoch. Giovanni Sarto to tak naprawdę Jan Krawiec, który pochodził z Polski (z Wielkopolski bądź Opolszczyzny)! Przez złą sytuację w okupowanej ojczyźnie, ojciec przyszłego papieża został zmuszony do emigracji. Zaraz po wyborze Piusa X na papieża, zaborcy Polski zajęli się tuszowaniem prawdziwego pochodzenia Jana Krawca.
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Terebint (Marcin) (795 punktów)
Skąd o tym wiesz? Można to jakoś potwierdzić?
20-07-2010 00:06 
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LadyTilly (613 punktów)
Oficjalna genealogia Giuseppe Melchiorre Sarto mówi o:
* rodzicach: Giovannim Battiście (1792-1852) i Marghericie Sanson (1813-1894);
* dziadkach (od strony ojca): Giuseppem Sarto, właścicielu ziemskim, i Paoli Giacomello;
* pradziadkach: Anzolim Sarto i Antonii Liviero.
św. Pius X jest "polskim" papieżem, gdyz został wybrany dzięki eksluzywie polskiego kardynała bp. krakowskiego Jana Puzyny, zgłoszonej w imieniu Cesarza-Króla Franciszka Józefa, przeciw głównemu kandydatowi Rampolliemu.
Matix (5786 punktów)
Wikipedia mówi, że "niektóre źródła na to wskazują" pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pius_X
19-07-2010 19:52 
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coreless (16088 punktów)

Wnioski dotyczące jakości polskiej edycji Wikipedii, przynajmniej odnośnie tego hasła, nasuwają się same.

Ponieważ nie ma najpierwszego początku i ostatecznego końca.
20-07-2010 03:21 
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apud (4399 punktów)
>Wnioski dotyczące jakości polskiej edycji Wikipedii, przynajmniej odnośnie tego hasła, nasuwają się same.
Co tam papież, a co z polskimi "korzeniami" Obamy!!!
A sam minister spraw zagranicznych RP stwierdził, ze jego pradziadkowie zjedli polskiego misjonarza.
coreless (16088 punktów)

From: Guido Buldrini <>
Subject: [POLAND] Pope Pius X wasn't half Polish
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:10:41 +0100

A subscriber of a different list writes that "in a very recent issue of
Polish American World, an editorial letter to the paper states that Pope
Pius X's father was from Poland and married an Italian woman and that the
Austrian leaders did not want this fact to be known and so hid it."
Maybe it's interesting to know that the problem is not so recent: actually
the Gmina (town) of Jemielnica (Woj. opolskie), once Himmelwitz, Prussia,
claims to be the birth place of Giovanni Battista Sarto, father of Giuseppe
Melchiore Sarto, pope as Pius X, blessed in 1951 and saint in 1954.
According to local sources - resumed by Martin Malachi in his book "The
Keys of This Blood The Struggle for World Dominion Between Pope John Paul
II, Mikhail Gorbachev, and the Capitalist West", Simon and Schuster, New
York 1990, page 535 - a Pole named Jan Krawiec (in English John Taylor, in
Italian Giovanni Sarto) escaped in Italy, to Castello di Godego and after
moved to Riese (both in the present province of Treviso, Italy, then
Austria), where also his son Giuseppe Melchiore, in 1903 pope Pius X, was born.
That appears to be quite far from the true because the archives of the
Parish church of Riese (now Riese Pio X) hold all the records related to
Giovanni Battista Sarto (birth, wedding and death) and to his family,
including his father Giuseppe Sarto (grandfather of the pope), land owner
and messenger of the Town council, who in 1763, with his parents (Anzolo
and Antonia Liviero), moved there from Castello di Godego and got married
to Paola Giacomello in 1784. The couple had 11 children, six daughters and
five sons, but only six survived.
The fourth one was Giovanni Battista (1792-1852) who, about 41 years old,
got married, on February 13, 1833, to Margherita Sanson (1813-1894) born in
Vedelago, not far from Riese. This couple also had 11 children: the first
one, named Giuseppe after the grandfather, died when was six days old.
Giuseppe Melchiore was the second born.
The first books including a genealogy of Pius X are: Franceschetti F., "Gli
antenati del Sommo Pontefice Pio X. Memorie storico-genealogiche", Collegio
Araldico, Rome, 1903; Marchesan A., "Papa Pio X nella sua vita e nella sua
parola", Benziger and Co., Einsiedeln, 1905 (with a family tree at page
17); Gheno A., "La patria di Pio X", in "Rivista del Collegio Araldico" 1st
vol. # 11-12, Rome, 1903. More info, in Italian, at the website of the
"Sarto Fundation" <www.museosanpiox.it/piox/pio_x1.htm>;.
Ciao!
Guido

Źródło:
newsarch.r(*)OLAND-ROOTS/2002-11/1038337841

Źródło podaję, ale jeszcze spróbuję je zweryfikować.


Ponieważ nie ma najpierwszego początku i ostatecznego końca.
coreless (16088 punktów)
Zweryfikowane. Źródło:
www.museos(*)ternational/eng/engpio_x1.html

Life of St. Pius X

Index - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9
Translation by Nausica Bonaldo
THE SARTOS FROM 1400 TO 1800

The Sartos settled down in Riese in the 1763, coming from the neighbouring community of Castello di Godego, situated in the province and in the diocese of Treviso.

This branch, which belongs to Giuseppe Sarto, the pope Pio X, died out in the 1930, with the death of Maria Sarto, the last of his unmarried sisters.

The researches, which were led by Francesco Franceschini[1], Angelo Marchesan[2] and Antonio Gheno[3], show that the Sartos came from Villa Estense (Padova): they cite a documentations, which isn't always exact, that dates back to the end of the XIV century.

A branch of the family's, whose intermediate vicissitudes are almost known, moved to San Giorgio in Brenta, a village near Cittadella, in the province of Padova and in the diocese of Vicenza.

Here Anzolo Sarto was born (1721?-1784), and he married in 22nd May 1761 in Castello di Godego Antonia Liviero, the widow of Zamaria Fratin.

From their marriage Giuseppe Sarto was born (1762-1841): he is the only of their sons whose news is found by the documents of Castello di Godego and Riese[4].

The next year, in 1763[5], the family moved definitely to Riese.

In this community Giuseppe Sarto, a landowner, was the town bailiff and he married Paola Giacomello (1765-1837).

From 1784 to 1809 11 sons (6 girls and 5 boys) were born. Only six of them outlived.

The fourth-born was Giovanni Battista (or Gianbattista or Gio:Batta) Sarto (1792-1852), the future pope's father[6].


Giuseppe Sarto and Paola Giacomello lived in his mother-in-law's house, Angela Girardi, the proprietress of the pope Pio X's native house.

The family wasn't poor, because it had several properties: two houses and two hectares land[7].

Giovanni Battista, after the division of the family real inheritance, was given a house ( that one where pope Pio X was born) and two lands.

Giovanni Battista was 41 years old when he married, the 13th February 1833, Margherita Sanson (1813-1894): the bride was only 20, and their marriage was consecrated by the chaplain Father Pier Paolo Pellizzari (S.Vito d'Asolo, 1807-Vallà, 1875).

The husband was, like his father, a landowner and the town bailiff, while the young wife, born in Vedelago, near Riese, was Melchiore Sanson's illiterate daughter (1786-1870) and was, like her mother, Maria Antonini, a seamstress.

GIUSEPPE SARTO'S CHILDHOOD AND ADOLESCENCE

Between 1834 and 1852 11 sons were born (the future pope was the second-born).

In almost all the biography only 10 are cited, in the following order: Giuseppe (31st January 1834- 6th February 1834), Giuseppe Melchiore (2nd June 1835- 20th August 1914, the future pope), Angelo (26th March 1837- 9th January 1916), Teresa (26th January 1839- 27th May 1920), Rosa (12th February 1841- 11th February 1913), Antonia (26th January 1843- 2nd March 1917), Pierluigi ( o Pier Luigi, 26th January 1845- 6th February 1845), Maria (26th April 1846- 30th March 1930), Lucia (29th May 1948- 19th June 1924), Anna (4th April 1850- 29th March 1926), Pietro Gaetano (30th April 1852- 30th October 1852).

Giuseppe Melchiore Sarto was born on 2nd June 1835 and the following day, on 3rd June 1835, was baptized by the chaplain Father Pier Paolo Pellizzari, who married his parents two years before.

Giuseppe Sarto was born in the Austrian Veneto, assigned to the Austrian empire according to the decisions of the Congress of Vienna (1815). He was very good at school: sometimes he took the place of his teacher, Francesco Gecherle. He was very keen and he had a lively, impulsive and precise character and, apart from knowing to write and read, he "learned to answer to the mass, to go to the choir, in one word to go to the church. He went always to the catechism and to the other teachings"[8].

Every day he went to pray to the sanctuary of the Cendrole, the parish matrix of all the parish community of the surroundings and he had called to the priesthood since his childhood.

The priest Father Tito Fusarini (Mestre, 1812-Venice, 1877), the priest of Riese between 1842 and 1853, besides the study of the Christian doctrine, drove him to the study of the Latin, perhaps in the 1844, language taught by the chaplain Father Luigi Orazio, died in the 1884 in Santandrà (Treviso).

He was received the Confirmation (in those times it preceded the Communion) in Asolo, when he was 10, the 1st September 1845 by the bishop Giovanni Battista Sartori Canova, and he received the Communion, when he was 11, the 6th April 1846[9].

The 22nd August 1846 he took, as an external candidate, the last examination of the primary cycle of the studies at the high primary school of Treviso and then he attended the grammar school in Castelfranco.

Every day he went to the chief town, 7 km from Riese, on foot (sometimes with his clogs on his shoulders, for not to consume them) or by cart. Each semester he took an examination at the seminary of Treviso and he was always the first.

etc.

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